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Episode 19: Carol Saller


That Word Chat with Editor Mark Allen welcomes the subversive copyeditor, Carol Saller, on October 6.


Saller is a contributing editor to The Chicago Manual of Style and writes for Fiction+ at the CMOS blog. She served as chief copyeditor for the 16th edition of the manual and as a consultant for the 17th. For many years she edited both the Chicago Manual of Style’s online Q&A and the CMOS Shop Talk blog. Her books include The Subversive Copy Editor as well as several books for children, including the young adult novel Eddie’s War.


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All the episodes

Episode 1 (April 7): Mary Norris

Episode 2 (April 14): Steve Kleinedler and Kory Stamper

Episode 3 (April 21): Roy Peter Clark

Episode 4 (April 28): Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett

Episode 5 (May 5): Ellen Jovin and Brandt Johnson

Episode 6 (May 12): David Crystal

Episode 7 (May 19) Ammon Shea and Peter Sokolowski

Episode 8 (May 26) Lynne Murphy

Episode 9 (June 9): Karen Yin

Episode 10 (June 16): Mignon Fogarty

Episode 11 (June 23): Jesse Sheidlower (with special guest Colleen Newvine)

Episode 12 (June 30): Jane Friedman

Episode 13 (July 14): Stan Carey and James Harbeck of Strong Language

Episode 14 (July 28): Steve Bien-Aime

Episode 15 (August 11): Ben Zimmer

Episode 16 (August 25): Alaina Lavoie and Caroline Tung Richmond of We Need Diverse Books

Episode 17 (September 8): Heather Bonikowski and John Kelly of

Episode 18 (September 22): The Quad: Erin Brenner, Sarah Grey, Katharine O'Moore-Klopf,
Adrienne Montgomerie, Lori Paximadis, Laura Poole, Amy Schneider

Episode 19 (October 6): Carol Saller

Episode 20 (October 20): Linda Kass of Gramercy Books

November 3: No episode. Please vote.

Episode 21 (Nov. 10): That Word Chat: The Game Episode

Episode 22 (Nov. 17): Merrill Perlman and Teresa Schmedding of the ACES Academy

Episode 23 (Dec. 1): Rob and Teresa Reinalda

Episode 24 (Dec. 15): Emily Brewster

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